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CAPTE Webinar PTAE SIG - Shared screen with speaker view
E. Taylor
01:07:25
will we be able to have a copy of this powerpoint?
Patti Lisk
01:09:16
Good question
KD Berrey
01:09:33
She usually posts the recording--don't know about the ppt
E. Taylor
01:15:58
I would love to have a copy of the PPT
KD Berrey
01:17:42
I think having a copy of the ppt would help explain expectations to administrations
Tamara Felegy
01:18:03
agree with last comment
Therese Millis
01:18:07
Agree!
Brenda Henoch
01:18:20
Ditto!
Daniel Ashley
01:18:37
yes it would be helpful as we do not know how long this will continue
JC
01:19:15
agreed
raffen
01:20:07
For second year students who must complete 440 hours: do those hours have to be completed in the last two semesters? Last year? Or throughout the program?
Tracy Ellison
01:20:44
is that 440 hours for total clinical education? just 11 weeks?
Holly
01:21:00
THANK YOU FOR THAT!!! Yes, need to know what the expectations are now for planning. :)
Nash Johnson
01:21:10
just 11 weeks
iPad
01:21:35
Where did 440 hours come from? Is that from evidence?
Bridget Clark
01:21:35
My concern is with breadth and depth. I am assuming the skilled nursing facilities and possibly acute care will be the last to allow students in to clinical. Any comments?
Mary
01:21:50
agree
Christine Balderas
01:21:50
Hi! For the new cohorts starting Fall 2021 if changed our hour expectations to your minimum of 520 hrs would that be a substantial change or just report to CAPTE?
Holly
01:22:00
440 came from 520-80 hour reduction that was given to us on the March 13th update
iPad
01:22:22
Thanks Holly
Holly
01:22:40
sure!
Christine Balderas
01:22:57
Great, thanks that answers my question.
Donelle Odren
01:23:42
Does the 440 only allow for second year experiences? So does the 520 include first and second year experiences?
Becky Thomas
01:23:49
I totally agree!
iPad
01:24:37
This may be an opportunity to explore the use of simulation to “count” for clinical education
Cindy Lavine
01:25:22
For second year students, is it acceptable if they do not meet the terminal clinical expectations for the program. For example we have student without getting neuro skills checked but have shown entry level in most other skills.
Kat Fabros
01:25:39
Down the road, are we expected to meet the 85% passing rate for the board exam for the students affected by this
Marie Cole
01:25:43
The statement on the earlier slide states the clinical hours are for "440 hours need to be done in the past 12 months". So you can't count your total 440 clinical hours from hours in the first year (in an integrated program)?
Patricia's
01:26:10
just curious about the CAPTEs thoughts on the 440 hour minimum? what is that based on?
Daniel Ashley
01:26:39
out patient will be the last to open. SNF and acute care are busy and need PTA's in my area. OP are closed.
Jacki Kopack
01:26:43
I think CAPTE needs to seriously consider and be open to simulation, similar to what nursing allows
Nancy Greenawald
01:26:46
any thoughts on high fidelity simulations - eg I can simulate an ICU lab
Christie Cohoon
01:27:00
can you get breadth and depth in 2 different OP clinics: peds and Neuro for example.
Jacky Kent
01:27:08
Can breadth and depth be on skills that have been completed in lab check offs/practicals or just through CPI anchors?
ilarson
01:27:45
With all the changes going on seems that there will be risk in aniticpating outcomes. Is there a plan to reduce or relax expectations with graduation rates, exam pass rates and employability benchmarks.
Laura Cerame
01:33:07
We also need to be mindful of regional accreditor expectations, state DOE expectations, and financial aid implications.
Regina Brown
01:33:13
what about a decrease in the number in the cohort. Example; 32 students usually admitted but decreasing to 16-24.
Holly
01:33:48
We are having to shift courses from summer to fall which will push our clin ed courses one semester beyond the normal semester This will extend the program by 6 weeks, but we are still within the 104 weeks and 6 semesters. Is this OK?
Faith Berryman
01:34:32
Do we expect 2021 site visits to be postponed or have dates changed?
dinsmoret
01:35:43
Since changes and revisions to curriculum are fluid and frequent at this time, how frequently do we need to notify CAPTE of changes? With every change, bi-weekly update, monthly update, etc.?
Stephanie Puffer
01:35:52
We are planning to decrease our cohort size (fall 2020 start) by 60% to prepare for decreased clinical options. Do we need permission or just report?
Susan Griffin
01:37:18
We are working on our self-study now. I am assuming we should address criteria based on what we normally do, and perhaps include an appendix to explain variations due to COVID. Any comments or other suggestions?
RENEE L BORROMEO
01:37:40
From ilarson to Everyone: 05:28 PMWith all the changes going on seems that there will be risk in aniticpating outcomes. Is there a plan to reduce or relax expectations with graduation rates, exam pass rates and employability benchmarks.
Traci Gotz
01:37:40
Do all 440 clinical hours need to be onsite or can simulation or video work be used to supplement a small portion of hours? Simulation was specifically addressed in the first CAPTE notice along with no online labs, but then "faculty judgment" was stated later.
Beth Thorpe
01:37:41
Someone previously mentioned Hi-fi SIM and there has been discussion on Telehealth for clinical experiences in the list serve. Is there any guidance on those topics?
Becky McKnight
01:37:54
Ellen, to summarize, it sounds like what you are saying is that as long as the changes that are made are temporary then schools only need to report and do not have to have permission. Is that an accurate statement?
Karey Martin
01:37:54
Does being in the initial accreditation process affect or change any of the information you just presented?
Susan Griffin
01:38:00
thank you!
Joe Miller
01:38:25
for program in pre accreditation. is there leeway to hire additional staff? especially with budgeting issues?
jenniferreft
01:38:51
Just to clarify, our first years, admitted in the fall of 2019 and scheduled to graduate in spring of 2021, would they fall into the category of only being required 440 clinical hours?
Therese Millis
01:39:04
This was very helpful Ellen. Thanks for the webinar time.
Stephanie Puffer
01:39:41
Ellen, we are planning to decrease our cohort to 60% for fall 2020 to prepare for decreased clinical options. Do we need permission or just report?
Tamra Coleman
01:39:52
If minimum hours are met during the final rotation but students are not at EL on all competencies, say #11 (electrotherapeutics)) as example, can the core faculty bring the student back to check them off on that particular competency at entry level?
Stephanie Schrader
01:40:14
Thank you for the overall clarity Ellen Price. It is much appreciated!
cchan
01:40:20
Should we expect any delay on the accreditation decision for program with visit made on 2019
Kat Fabros
01:40:20
NPTE and NPTAE test dates are cancelled
Kat Fabros
01:40:30
This affects data significantly for smaller programs
lhidalgo
01:41:03
What about telehealth? Is that considered as clinical hours.
petersond
01:41:06
What about Telehealth
KD Berrey
01:41:18
You can always accept fewer students, You just have to report substantive change if it is permanent
KD Berrey
01:41:39
I'm pretty sure
Holly
01:41:52
FSBPT is planning on having a "Testing Window" instead of fixed date testing as soon as Prometrics gives the go ahead. That should help with backlog.
Sam
01:41:58
The Commission is meeting on April 23rd so maybe we'll get more details after that.
iPad
01:42:10
There have been several questions and comments on the use of simulation (high fidelity or other modes). can these experiences be used to help determine entry level and help define depth and breathe
Shannon Struby
01:42:18
I thought just the April dates were just canceled
Deanna Smith
01:42:49
Is CAPTE working with FSBPT to address the issue of students being able to take the NPTE if they have not completed their final clinical and therefore, not having degree conferred? Even states that allow early testing before graduation want a graduation date that is within 90 days of graduation.
Christie Cohoon
01:43:56
Holly, was the open testing window just for April make up or more extended? was not clear to me.
Cindy Lavine
01:44:07
Will we get a copy of this power point and have access to a recording of this meeting?
Diane Roadarmel
01:44:31
Our cohort that was admitted in August of 2019 and is scheduled to begin clinical experiences in May 2020 - are they under the same rules as the students currently in clinic?
Melanie Heffington
01:44:36
Thank you Ellen. Very helpful.
pkunse
01:46:21
Is it okay to do practical exams and skill competencies on video /zoom ?
Kameron Causey
01:46:34
Thank you Ellen! Extremely helpful!
LDaigle
01:46:42
I see a discussion about FSBPT - can that be discussed?
Barbara J Behrens
01:47:06
It's always a pleasure and you are so helpful Ellen, Thank you!
Kim Novak
01:47:31
Thank you Ellen for your time
sprocket
01:48:09
In the past a decrease in cohort size of more than 10% needed permission - to confirm - we only need to report it at this time. I’m only asking because cohort size wasn’t mentioned specifically.
Christine Johnson (CJ)
01:48:25
Is there a number of telehealth hours that you limit the acceptable exposure to?
Yessenia
01:48:32
Sorry to take it back to didactic, but as far lab skills are concerned is CAPTE's stance that core faculty can use their best judgement on using remote methods for lab practicals? Bc I was under the impression that lab practicals would have to be in person
Therese Millis
01:48:54
Is telehealth directed more towards DPT programs? vs. PTA?
Jane David
01:48:54
Can you please speak to CAPTE expectations and requirements for temporary cohort size reduction?
Sam Allen
01:48:56
Could we set up a pro bono telehealth for our students to count as our Clin Ed hours
Renee Pruitt
01:50:29
Yes please and the recording. How can we get that?
Kat Fabros
01:51:14
Is the meeting recording going to be made available?
Stephanie Puffer
01:51:16
Asking again... we are planning to decrease our cohort to 60% for fall 2020 to plan for decreased clinical options. Do we need permission or just report.
iPad
01:51:20
Thank you, Ellen. This has been very helpful
smmeier
01:51:38
Could she just post the ppt to the website?
cchan
01:51:51
The recording is available from the website after the session is done.
LDaigle
01:51:52
Not clear how we will get the ppt
KD Berrey
01:52:02
Recording is on the Academy of Education website and then on the COVID-19 page
lhidalgo
01:52:15
Thank you Ellen, very grateful for your wisdom and explanations.
jenniferreft
01:52:15
Why doesn’t Ellen email the powerpoint to Jennifer and she could post it
Kat Fabros
01:52:33
Thank you Ellen
Joe Miller
01:52:33
For pre accreditation programs that have to hire 2nd core faculty this year, is CAPTE giving leeway?
dinsmoret
01:52:36
Since changes and revisions to curriculum are fluid and frequent at this time, how frequently do we need to notify CAPTE of changes? With every change, bi-weekly update, monthly update, etc.?
Justin Berry
01:52:41
Will there be disaster response questions on the AAR this fall?
Sam
01:53:14
Thank you!
Sharon's iPhone
01:53:20
In regards to telehealth, it counts toward clinical time if they are supervised by a clinical instructor but would not count if we had them do a simulated telehealth assignment in a course? Right?
Tiffany Kiphart
01:53:20
Thank you Ellen and Jennifer!
sprocket
01:53:38
Can we reduce cohort size without permission?
Cristina Echevarria
01:53:45
Quoting pkunse…..
“Is it okay to do practical exams and skill competencies on video /zoom ?"
Shannon Struby
01:53:49
Good question Justin
Tamra Coleman
01:53:52
If minimum hours are met during the final rotation but students are not at EL on all competencies, say #11 (electrotherapeutics)) as example, can the core faculty bring the student back to check them off on that particular competency at entry level?
debbiebaker
01:53:53
How many hours of Telehealth can be used towards clinical education?
Rosemarie
01:53:56
Any thoughts on asking students to practice with someone at home and violate social distancing?
Holly
01:54:09
Thank goodness Ellen is here at this particular point in time!!! It's fate!
Jennifer Stevens
01:54:20
Quoting pkunse…..“Is it okay to do practical exams and skill competencies on video /zoom ?"
Rebecca Stevens
01:54:58
I have to step off - thank you for all the information! This was wonderful!
Rosemarie
01:55:12
Do you want changes via email or regular mail?
Patricia's
01:55:42
Ellen is super! I’m so glad you’re there at CAPTE supporting all our questions and being realistic with allowing programs to use judgement!! many thanks!
Donelle Odren
01:56:51
The 440 hours minimum for last 12 months, are we allowed to include integrated hours from Spring of 2019 to our class graduating Spring 2020
Caroline Rogers
01:57:52
Can you define "full time" clinical experience?
Chris Hausbeck
01:58:26
Did you say when we can expect the next CAPTE guidance letter?
Beth Thorpe
01:58:38
Thank you Ellen and Jennifer. This was helpful. We can do this!
bruk2121
01:58:55
Thank you Ellen for your clarity and time! Greatly appreciated!
KD Berrey
02:00:28
Very helpful. Thank you so much Ellen and Jennifer!
Susan Griffin
02:00:28
It's challenging to allow some students to demonstrate a lab skill on a person they live with when not all students have someone they could use as a subject
Therese Millis
02:00:32
What liability issues are there with a student working on a friend or family member?
Karey Martin
02:00:38
If a student lives alone, is that equitable opportunity to pass the practical or competency for all students if they don't have access to anyone without violating social distancing? And is unequal access a problem?
Vanessa LeBlanc
02:02:50
Ellen does rock! SHe is very responsive and helpful
ilarson
02:03:06
Yes Ellen is wonderful!
raffen
02:03:38
reposting: The 440 hours minimum for last 12 months, are we allowed to include integrated hours from Spring of 2019 to our class graduating Spring 2020
Cristina Echevarria
02:03:59
To Clarifying: The 440 Clinical Education Hours is the sum of the Integrated (part-time) and Terminal (full-time) practice??
Jennifer Blanchette
02:04:08
From Stephanie Puffer to Everyone: 04:52 PMAsking again... we are planning to decrease our cohort to 60% for fall 2020 to plan for decreased clinical options. Do we need permission or just report.
Sarah Card
02:04:49
where will the recording be posted at?
Deanna Smith
02:05:32
Potential for student to instruct the faculty on how to perform the skill on someone who is at the faculty's home. Same as teach back skill?
Amy Rathmann
02:07:04
Can programs wave more than 80 hours if 440 is still met?
Nijah
02:07:41
Thank you so much for taking the time to reassure us and guide us!
Kathy Kulinski
02:07:56
does CAPTE allow clinical simulation towards actual clinical hours?
Cristina Echevarria
02:08:14
To Clarifying: The 440 Clinical Education Hours is the sum of the Integrated (part-time) and Terminal (full-time) practice??
ksavage
02:08:22
for telehealth clinical hours, they still need to be under supervision of PT/PTA correct
debbiebaker
02:08:58
Is there a limit on Telehealth hours in relation to clinical ed hours?
kathy
02:09:24
Thank you so much Ellen! This has been very helpful! Take Care and Be Safe!!
Deanna Smith
02:09:27
Thank you so much!
Kathy Kulinski
02:09:35
Thank you Ellen!
sprocket
02:09:40
Thank you
Bernice Cuscuna
02:09:40
Thank you ellen
Amanda Johnston
02:09:41
Thank you Ellen!
Ritzel Hidalgo
02:09:42
Excellent!! Thank you!
Katie Sutton
02:09:42
Thank you!
Amanda Heilman
02:09:44
Thank you Ellen and Jennifer! I appreciate it so much!
Yessenia
02:09:44
Thank you for this, its been incredibly helpful
Rosemarie
02:09:46
Ellen thank you so much for your wisdom!
Karey Martin
02:09:47
Thank you!
Bridget Clark
02:09:48
Thank you Ellen and thank you Jennifer.
Sherry Fadel
02:09:48
Thank you!
Arlene Garcia
02:09:51
Thank you so much for your time and guidance!
Christine Balderas
02:09:51
Thank you both for your time and resources! Stay well:)
Sam Allen
02:09:51
Thank you Ellen!
Barry Dale
02:09:52
Thank you!!
Sarah Card
02:09:52
Thank you !
Mary Hanlon
02:09:53
Thank you Jennifer and Ellen!
cchan
02:09:54
Thank you very much for addressing many difficult questions.
ksavage
02:09:55
Thank you both for everything. very helpful!!!
Heather DeFazio
02:09:55
Thank you so much! Appreciate the update!!
Stacey Place
02:09:59
Thank you!
Christina Howard
02:10:00
Appreciate all these meetings, thank you
Joe Munoz
02:10:01
Thank You!!
S00011220
02:10:02
Thank you! This has been very helpful!
Karen Abboud
02:10:03
Thank you! Great information! :)
Amelia Leonardi
02:10:13
Thank you! Very helpful!
Jill Ludlow
02:10:17
Thank you!!
Bridget
02:10:18
6pm Eastern time? So 5pm Central? 3pm Pacific?
Regina Brown
02:10:22
Thank you Ellen and Jennifer! :)
joy
02:10:32
Wonderful! Thank you so much!
JC
02:10:45
Thank you so much!
Brenda Henoch
02:10:50
Thank you Ellen and Jennifer. These meetings are incredibly helpful.
petersond
02:10:52
Thank you to all involved this was very helpful!
edward leonard
02:10:57
Thank you so much Ellen & Jennifer!
Cindy Lavine
02:11:04
Thank you! Very Helpful!
Jelaine James
02:11:08
Thank you both!
E. Taylor
02:11:08
Thank you Ellen!
Lori Hurtak
02:11:10
Thank you
Adrienne Nova
02:11:16
Thank you!!
cvaccarino
02:11:17
Thank you both
Sara Burke
02:11:17
Thank you Ellen!
RENEE L BORROMEO
02:11:17
Thanks so much. Very helpful. Ellen Rocks!
Tamara Felegy
02:11:19
Clap! Clap!
tmichaeldougherty
02:11:22
Thank you!!
May Tom
02:11:23
Thank You!
Michele Avery
02:11:25
thank you very much!
Hubbard
02:11:25
Huge Thank you indeed!!!
Marangela Prysiazny
02:11:25
Thank you!
luanneolson
02:11:26
Yes, thank you very much.
rcheema cheema
02:11:31
Excellent information ! Thanks.
Fran Kistner
02:11:31
Thank you!
Jennifer McDonald
02:11:33
Much appreciated!
Loraine Frey
02:11:35
Thank you!!!
Bev Labosky
02:11:35
Thank you!!!
ebell
02:11:37
Thank you!
Bridget
02:11:41
Thank you Ellen! Standing ovation!
Sue Bravard
02:11:43
Thank you, Ellen!!!!
Niki Wallen
02:11:44
Yes, Ellen you are truly amazing!!👏🏻
Jefferson College
02:11:50
So nice to meet you online
JODI
02:11:53
Thank you very much Ellen this was very helpful!
Michael Mattia
02:11:53
Thank you!