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Clinical Education & COVID 19 - Shared screen with speaker view
Jennifer Jewell
09:22
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Jennifer Jewell
09:47
https://acapt.org/docs/default-source/public-docs/guidance-on-participation-in-ce-experiences_final3.pdf?sfvrsn=badb8cd8_2
joy
19:05
Don't see anything in the chat box
Daniel J Dandy
19:12
ditto
Sam Coppoletti
19:16
ditto
Jennifer Jewell
19:35
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Jennifer Jewell
19:58
https://acapt.org/docs/default-source/public-docs/guidance-on-participation-in-ce-experiences_final3.pdf?sfvrsn=badb8cd8_2
Sam Coppoletti
23:21
her sound is choppy, cutting in and out
Barbara Kellar
31:27
I tell our students that PT/PTA is the "bob and weave" profession!
Kathy Vitela
31:57
Do you think CAPTE will continue the revised guidelines for clinical hours and requirements?
JENNIFER REFT
32:00
when there are not enough spots for a student cohort-how are people deciding who goes and how does not? flipping a coin?
Maureen Holtz
32:38
I have been working on rescheduling and placing students since March. Communication has been key! I have emailed and called so many CIs and sites, every single day it seems. I have local sites that have bent over backwards to help us!
mingelna
32:42
What types of training are you actually doing to prepare the students for their upcoming experiences? Have you developed labs, modules, webinars, etc.? Iโ€™m in a DPT Program and our students are โ€œoffโ€ for the summer before they begin their clinical year in early September.
Yessenia Roa
33:02
is there any academic institution that is experiencing challenges from administration for concerns of liability or safety of the students in areas with significant COVID cases?
joy
33:03
Are there any other options for clinical experience/education other than placement at a facility or clinic? For example, a pro bono clinical on campus? Any other ideas?
Maureen Holtz
33:52
I am new as well!!! This is my first round of clinicals as ACCE. ๐Ÿ˜ I feel you!
Patty Beaupre
33:57
are institutions having students sign "waivers" to go into clinicals? Are students being given option to opt out of clinicals at this time if they assess not in their best interest to attend clinicals at this time. Are your institutions allowing students to treat COVID positive patients?
Sam Coppoletti
34:04
What about the incident reporting process and quarantining with exposure in clinic? I assume that the student will be extended 2 weeks, but is there anything else we should plan for in our policies and student notice?
JENNIFER REFT
34:31
we are having our students sign a waiver and complete some CDC COVID-related modules
Maureen Holtz
34:57
Our students are not allowed to treat covid positive patients. They have done online modules over covid and use of PPE.
Raemee
35:21
New ACCE here too! My official first day is tomorrow. Have students scheduled for first week of August first rotation and terminal clinicals starting the third week of August.
Jamie Bayliss
36:14
There are several excellent webinars available on the APTA Learning Center for members and non-members about COVID-19. Several programs are having students watch some of those modules in preparation for upcoming clinical education.
Maureen Holtz
36:19
I have had two students exposed. They both got tested and we're negative. We followed two week quarantine guidelines, and they have to make up time elsewhere if their site can't get them back.
Bridget
39:22
We are the same as Maureen...extra PPE review, COVID classes through APTA Learning Center, and yes, sign a waiver. Students can opt to wait to begin clinicals without a penalty so they enter the clinic when they are comfortable. Our students cannot treat COVID positive patients; if they have been in contact with someone who was tested, he/she has to wait for results before returning to class/clinic; if exposed to someone who tests positive, they quarantine for 14 days prior to return to classroom and/or clinic
Nancy Greenawald
39:50
Have clinicians pushed back on # of hours - example clinic prefers 8 week experience, but student only needs 200 hours.
John Wiggins
40:35
PTA program here and we stay in area. So I place them by closest to where live. If several live close, then draw name...no priority. Students are OK with this.
Barbara Kellar
41:56
For student that are not getting a "full" 40-hour experience, how are we (others) "supplementing" that time? We have offered case studies, research, etc. What is everybody else doing?
Barbara Kellar
43:18
We have alternate sites that students are not willing to travel to..how do others recruit students to travel if the sites are not in the immediate areas?
Patricia Kluding
43:42
Are students paying less tuition if fewer clinical hours required (e.g. allow 30 weeks+criteria instead of 36 weeks as in curricular plan)
Sam Coppoletti
44:26
No change in clinical ed course hours or course credit at UCCC PTA in Cincy, OH.
akg14
53:37
Is anyone supplementing student clinic time with supplemental virtual learning? To possibly compensate for lower caseload, etc..
mingelna
58:49
Our pro bono clinic is not allowed to begin again until the spring semester at the earliest (per University mandate.)
Patty Beaupre
59:56
I think that simulation can assist to have students meet the depth and breadth of exposure and showing competence, but does not substitute for clinic hours...correct?
Jamie Bayliss
01:00:41
Patty - you are correct - simulation cannot substitute clinic hours
Barbara Kellar
01:01:32
Ours had said no.
Samantha Stryke, PTA, CBIS
01:01:33
Are all having the students get tested before going out to the facility?
mingelna
01:01:50
In our program, students who choose not to go to clinic as scheduled will need to fill out the standard LOA paperwork and they will be delayed in graduating.
Patty Beaupre
01:03:25
Our students are not being tested. I have one corporation that is requiring testing within 5 days of start date and up to "college" to confirm testing done and negative.
JENNIFER REFT
01:03:39
before we are done can the clin ed document be reposted please
mingelna
01:05:30
We are only testing students who are going to clinics that require this in order to start the experience. The school is paying for this testing and it is being done through our student health services. We are in the process of figuring out who will conduct and pay for testing should a site determine that the student has been exposed and will need to get additional testing before returning to the clinic.
Patty Beaupre
01:07:25
Have you been able to speak directly with your legal team at your institution? I have asked so many questions regarding waiver, attestation form, etc... can students opt out etc.... and getting no answers.... our students are to begin end of August..entering final semester of PTA program and are to have 2 full time experiences
Daniel J Dandy
01:10:44
It is a chance for them (and us) to 'live out' Professional Duty.
JENNIFER REFT
01:20:48
we have sent students back to a previous clinical for 1-2 weeks just to finish
Bridget
01:23:05
Patty, I drafted a document that went through administration and then reviewed by legal. Our lawyer sent a list of changes to make and after those were made, the students reviewed and signed the waiver. We provided the CIs with a copy.
mingelna
01:25:34
Our first year students were not able to go on CE 1 at all this summer. We are putting together a 6-credit course to make up for the credits, which will take place in the fall. There is no change in tuition because we shifted 6 credits from the fall courses into the summer.
mingelna
01:27:02
Part of this new course will be that they need to develop and present an inservice to their classmates and a proctor.
Patty Beaupre
01:27:06
Per program requirements: each student is to have a clinical experience in an outpatient and an inpatient setting. Are some of you obtaining the required clinic hours all in outpatient and meeting the inpatient experiences via inpatient cases/simulations/ etc..? I'm in CT and I need total of 52 experiences over course of the fall; right now I'm at 18 with only 1 acute care and 1 SNF placement.
JENNIFER REFT
01:27:50
We found out when we crushed the numbers that even with reduced clinical hours we were fine on credit hours
mingelna
01:29:56
Thank you, all. I need to go. I appreciate your perspectives and input! Best of luck to all of you.
joy
01:34:28
Thank you for all the great information and support. I appreciate your time and guidance.
Elsa Drevyn
01:34:47
what do you envision as 'flexibility' in regards to the IP requirement
Hannah Tulchinsky
01:35:05
Thank you for this very helpful information!
Patty Beaupre
01:36:12
I have not received clarity yet about timing of the COVID test required
Doritza Escobar Rivera
01:36:35
Thank you for the great information given! Good Night.
beckelcl
01:40:06
Thank you Patty. I think the ability to make these decisions is cumbersome on all sides. I appreciate the response.
Jennifer Jewell
01:44:52
https://acapt.org/docs/default-source/public-docs/guidance-on-participation-in-ce-experiences_final3.pdf?sfvrsn=badb8cd8_2
Patty Beaupre
01:45:57
Thank you so much!!!! Amazing group!
Jennifer Jewell
01:46:21
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John Wiggins
01:46:27
We postponed the start of our first clinical experience from Oct to Jan 2021 (when our 2nd clinical would start) and then our 2nd is when our 3rd would start and then we will add our 3rd immediately after the Spring 2021 semester ends.
Maureen Holtz
01:46:41
I'm sorry, I need to go! Thank you so much. I am so grateful for all of you sharing your experiences, and for the guidance you have provided. You all are awesome!
Nancy Greenawald
01:47:13
Thanks to all!
Lisa Krackow
01:47:13
Thank you so much! I so appreciate all of your insights and ideas!
Daniel J Dandy
01:47:26
Thank you all
John Wiggins
01:47:31
Thank you all. Good info.
Raemee
01:48:21
Thank you for all the information!!
Jonathan Brigner
01:48:46
thank you
Patty Beaupre
01:48:49
Thanks again!!!!!
Bridget
01:48:51
Thank you so much.
Cindy Vaccarino
01:48:56
thank you
triciamahoney
01:49:02
Thank you!
JENNIFER REFT
01:49:34
thanks Jen