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Daniel J Dandy
her sound is choppy, cutting in and out
I tell our students that PT/PTA is the "bob and weave" profession!
Do you think CAPTE will continue the revised guidelines for clinical hours and requirements?
when there are not enough spots for a student cohort-how are people deciding who goes and how does not? flipping a coin?
I have been working on rescheduling and placing students since March. Communication has been key! I have emailed and called so many CIs and sites, every single day it seems. I have local sites that have bent over backwards to help us!
What types of training are you actually doing to prepare the students for their upcoming experiences? Have you developed labs, modules, webinars, etc.? I’m in a DPT Program and our students are “off” for the summer before they begin their clinical year in early September.
is there any academic institution that is experiencing challenges from administration for concerns of liability or safety of the students in areas with significant COVID cases?
Are there any other options for clinical experience/education other than placement at a facility or clinic? For example, a pro bono clinical on campus? Any other ideas?
I am new as well!!! This is my first round of clinicals as ACCE. 😁 I feel you!
are institutions having students sign "waivers" to go into clinicals? Are students being given option to opt out of clinicals at this time if they assess not in their best interest to attend clinicals at this time. Are your institutions allowing students to treat COVID positive patients?
What about the incident reporting process and quarantining with exposure in clinic? I assume that the student will be extended 2 weeks, but is there anything else we should plan for in our policies and student notice?
we are having our students sign a waiver and complete some CDC COVID-related modules
Our students are not allowed to treat covid positive patients. They have done online modules over covid and use of PPE.
New ACCE here too! My official first day is tomorrow. Have students scheduled for first week of August first rotation and terminal clinicals starting the third week of August.
There are several excellent webinars available on the APTA Learning Center for members and non-members about COVID-19. Several programs are having students watch some of those modules in preparation for upcoming clinical education.
I have had two students exposed. They both got tested and we're negative. We followed two week quarantine guidelines, and they have to make up time elsewhere if their site can't get them back.
We are the same as Maureen...extra PPE review, COVID classes through APTA Learning Center, and yes, sign a waiver. Students can opt to wait to begin clinicals without a penalty so they enter the clinic when they are comfortable. Our students cannot treat COVID positive patients; if they have been in contact with someone who was tested, he/she has to wait for results before returning to class/clinic; if exposed to someone who tests positive, they quarantine for 14 days prior to return to classroom and/or clinic
Have clinicians pushed back on # of hours - example clinic prefers 8 week experience, but student only needs 200 hours.
PTA program here and we stay in area. So I place them by closest to where live. If several live close, then draw name...no priority. Students are OK with this.
For student that are not getting a "full" 40-hour experience, how are we (others) "supplementing" that time? We have offered case studies, research, etc. What is everybody else doing?
We have alternate sites that students are not willing to travel to..how do others recruit students to travel if the sites are not in the immediate areas?
Are students paying less tuition if fewer clinical hours required (e.g. allow 30 weeks+criteria instead of 36 weeks as in curricular plan)
No change in clinical ed course hours or course credit at UCCC PTA in Cincy, OH.
Is anyone supplementing student clinic time with supplemental virtual learning? To possibly compensate for lower caseload, etc..
Our pro bono clinic is not allowed to begin again until the spring semester at the earliest (per University mandate.)
I think that simulation can assist to have students meet the depth and breadth of exposure and showing competence, but does not substitute for clinic hours...correct?
Patty - you are correct - simulation cannot substitute clinic hours
Ours had said no.
Samantha Stryke, PTA, CBIS
Are all having the students get tested before going out to the facility?
In our program, students who choose not to go to clinic as scheduled will need to fill out the standard LOA paperwork and they will be delayed in graduating.
Our students are not being tested. I have one corporation that is requiring testing within 5 days of start date and up to "college" to confirm testing done and negative.
before we are done can the clin ed document be reposted please
We are only testing students who are going to clinics that require this in order to start the experience. The school is paying for this testing and it is being done through our student health services. We are in the process of figuring out who will conduct and pay for testing should a site determine that the student has been exposed and will need to get additional testing before returning to the clinic.
Have you been able to speak directly with your legal team at your institution? I have asked so many questions regarding waiver, attestation form, etc... can students opt out etc.... and getting no answers.... our students are to begin end of August..entering final semester of PTA program and are to have 2 full time experiences
Daniel J Dandy
It is a chance for them (and us) to 'live out' Professional Duty.
we have sent students back to a previous clinical for 1-2 weeks just to finish
Patty, I drafted a document that went through administration and then reviewed by legal. Our lawyer sent a list of changes to make and after those were made, the students reviewed and signed the waiver. We provided the CIs with a copy.
Our first year students were not able to go on CE 1 at all this summer. We are putting together a 6-credit course to make up for the credits, which will take place in the fall. There is no change in tuition because we shifted 6 credits from the fall courses into the summer.
Part of this new course will be that they need to develop and present an inservice to their classmates and a proctor.
Per program requirements: each student is to have a clinical experience in an outpatient and an inpatient setting. Are some of you obtaining the required clinic hours all in outpatient and meeting the inpatient experiences via inpatient cases/simulations/ etc..? I'm in CT and I need total of 52 experiences over course of the fall; right now I'm at 18 with only 1 acute care and 1 SNF placement.
We found out when we crushed the numbers that even with reduced clinical hours we were fine on credit hours
Thank you, all. I need to go. I appreciate your perspectives and input! Best of luck to all of you.
Thank you for all the great information and support. I appreciate your time and guidance.
what do you envision as 'flexibility' in regards to the IP requirement
Thank you for this very helpful information!
I have not received clarity yet about timing of the COVID test required
Doritza Escobar Rivera
Thank you for the great information given! Good Night.
Thank you Patty. I think the ability to make these decisions is cumbersome on all sides. I appreciate the response.
Thank you so much!!!! Amazing group!
We postponed the start of our first clinical experience from Oct to Jan 2021 (when our 2nd clinical would start) and then our 2nd is when our 3rd would start and then we will add our 3rd immediately after the Spring 2021 semester ends.
I'm sorry, I need to go! Thank you so much. I am so grateful for all of you sharing your experiences, and for the guidance you have provided. You all are awesome!
Thanks to all!
Thank you so much! I so appreciate all of your insights and ideas!
Daniel J Dandy
Thank you all
Thank you all. Good info.
Thank you for all the information!!
Thank you so much.