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Terry Musser's Personal Meeting Room - Shared screen with speaker view
Terri Mando
01:07:11
It's good, Jeff.
ema5077
01:07:12
Good!
emily.meinnert
01:07:13
pretty good
Jeff Sechler
01:07:57
IF you have questions or concerns, please type them here.
Jeff Sechler
01:08:06
Also, please mute your microphone if you haven't already. Thanks!
Carolyn Jensen
01:08:13
Can you ask folks in the room to try to keep it down?
Patricia Schempp
01:09:07
can't understand Christine and David very well. Terry was fine
BK-USER
01:09:40
Having a hard time hearing
Terry Musser
01:09:43
Can you hear David now?
BK-USER
01:09:59
Slightly better
Patricia Schempp
01:10:00
better
Stacy Englert
01:10:04
better
Courtney Wozetek
01:10:21
better, but there is a rustling in the background. Maybe someone's lunch?
Terry Musser
01:11:17
It's pretty quiet here in the room
Deb Dworsky
01:11:41
someone doesn't have their mic muted
vlw14
01:11:56
It almost sounds like someone is typing near a microphone
Terry Musser
01:12:30
Nobody in ASI is typing near a mic. My keyboard is silent.
Jeff Sechler
01:13:10
There were a few online users with their mics live, I muted them and hopefully that clears things up.
Courtney Wozetek
01:13:24
Thanks! It is clearer now!
Deb Dworsky
01:13:26
sounds much better. thanks!
vlw14
01:13:30
Thanks so much!
Debbie Lissenden
01:20:06
Is it a size problem? We are well over 3 times larger in average enrollment than the 2nd largest enrollment
ericatachoir
01:22:34
It is a preparation issue - many students in the west (especially PGH public schools) are coming from underfunded public schools and not getting adequate preparation.
Terry Musser
01:23:30
Erica, don't you think the other universities have similar issues with preparation at the high school level?
Terry Musser
01:24:13
And if that is the reality we are dealing with, we aren't doing a very good job.
ericatachoir
01:25:30
Possibly? I don’t know much about the public school systems in other Big Ten locations. We are doing the best we can but we also have to be aware of the deficit and how to build an academic approach to walk a student through. I think we know it, not sure that all of our faculty always know it or recognize it.
Carolyn Jensen
01:30:19
In my group, we are working on an intake form for that meeting with an advisor to make sure we hit the points
Carolyn Jensen
01:31:02
Financial aid, Academic integrity, number of credits
Terry Musser
01:31:37
Will you share that with the advising community Carolyn?
Carolyn Jensen
01:32:08
Yup - would be happy to. I put our new frnsc advisor on it (Noelle)
Terry Musser
01:32:21
Thanks!
Carolyn Jensen
01:32:39
Are we going to get the slides - it will help us make that intake form
Terry Musser
01:33:00
Yep, Christine said that a few minutes ago:)
tlv13
01:34:38
could that factor their class level standing and potentially change their classification for bursar charges? from Junior to Sophomore for example?
rle5000
01:35:15
Since this will be implemented for SU 2020 do both attempts of the course have to be taken starting SU 2020 and after?
Sarah Armentrout
01:35:42
What will happen for our current students who may have attempted a course three times? Would they get the first two grades of the course forgiven? Or only one?
Carolyn Jensen
01:35:52
I think the tuition is calc'ed with total credits
ericatachoir
01:36:00
Would a student on suspension need then to ask for forgiveness and a appeal on their suspension at the same time?
Debbie Lissenden
01:36:06
How will this work for students who already graduated with a degree and re-enroll for a sequential degree and then ask for grade forgiveness in a course that was taken the first time before the 1st degree was completed, and taken the 2nd time under the re-enrollment? Will this be allowed? Seems like it can't be because it could affect things like distinction
Junhow Wei
01:39:23
Is LD an attempt? For example, if they attempted once and got F, attempted second got LD...
Jodi Vender
01:39:34
what about a course whose number/suffix changed due to curricular changes (e.g., GEOG 30 is now GEOG 30N, essentially the same course)
Rebekka
01:41:08
What about ENGL 15 and 15s? 15s is controlled for 001-002 students in fall so a sophomore may not be able to get access to it if they earned F in ENGL 15s in their first year.
Allison Burns
01:42:22
MATH 140B forgive MATH 140?
seg143
01:43:05
Who do we send our concerns to about classes like are similar enough but have a suffix? In my department HDFS 315Y is only offered at certain campuses but is basically the same as HDFS 315. This is going to be an issue for us.
Sara Becker
01:47:02
What if the course is part of a second degree they are seeking to obtain? ie - took Anatomy as part of a KINES degree, now back through WC to seek a BSN.
Deb Dworsky
01:47:12
Will this apply to students with an earned associate who then re-enroll for a bachelors?
Brandywine
01:48:48
At what point should a student make a forgiveness request? Would it be advisable for them to do so in pre-major status or while under DUS?
Alisha Simon
01:49:18
Will it be possible for advisors to have access to the list of both classes with suffixes that can be used as well as the ones that it is decided definitely cannot be? I think that would be very helpful as we work with students.
Georjanne Rosa
01:51:46
Where will the request application be housed? Is this going to be through LionPath
Terry Musser
01:53:34
I will share these latest questions with David, but I think I'll let them finish their presentation. Because so much of this is unknown right now, I doubt they know where the application will be housed or where we might store information about suffixes that are approved.
rqt5002
01:53:44
Just to clarify, students must have taken their course repeat in FA 19 or later in order to qualify, correct?
Tricia Clark
01:54:18
I think you said this already, but is it true that a 'D' cannot replace an 'F'?
Garrett Roen
01:55:14
)? I have an associate student who is graduating in May but has asked if he should hold off graduating to do a forgiveness in the summer since the class isn’t used for his associate degree but rather the BS degree he’s going to re-enroll into. I’m not sure how to advise him.
Terry Musser
01:55:23
rqt5002: no, the course repeat could have been taken earlier than fall if the student hasn't graduated yet.
Terry Musser
01:57:10
Garrett, I believe your question was just answered
rqt5002
01:57:56
Thank you, Terry
Terry Musser
01:58:15
Tricia, a D CAN replace an F
Tricia Clark
01:58:30
Thanks
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02:01:06
That's an important point for any student graduating: if you repeat a course in your last semester at PSU, and earn the higher grade, couldn't a student complete the grade foregiveness form before the Registrar's final deadline for colleges to confirm degrees are completed? Or is what they just said true: a student cannot request grade forgiveness for a course completed in their last semester?
Terry Musser
02:04:28
Currently, if the student is on the intent to graduate list, then it will be too late to repeat the course and get forgiveness. So, advisers need to discuss this with students who know they want to repeat a course in their last semester and when to complete the intent to graduate procedure.
Terry Musser
02:05:09
But remember this team is still working on these crazy details.
rqt5002
02:07:20
I have just one more grade forgiveness question, I am sorry: If a student takes a class at PSU and fails, then takes the class elsewhere and gets transfer credit, can they still repeat the class at Penn State again for the grade forgiveness only? Or can they use the transfer credit to replace the failed grade? Thanks!
cek132
02:08:30
When transfer students apply to PSU, Undergrad Admissions will recalculate their GPA in cases where repeated courses were removed from the original institution's GPA calculation. Will this still be the case?
Terry Musser
02:11:36
Many good questions and some have been addressed. I have copied the Chat to this point and will email it to David and Christine for follow up.
Michael F Polgar
02:14:54
Can you give us simple, bullet-point messaging for advising students in (or at risk of?) each of three 'problem' statuses? "Things to say to a student at risk of Academic Warning.." and "Things to say to a student in warning.." etc
Harriett
02:17:18
Is PSU looking at using text messages to contact PSU students since some students ignore e-mails and phone calls?
Junhow Wei
02:18:50
IST has a good grade calculator on their website that helps you recalculate from scratch
Terri Mando
02:19:24
https://ist.psu.edu/students/careers/gpa_calc
Gina
02:23:47
Will the Deans of the Colleges be responsible for determining the work flow of a request before it is sent to OUR?
rah32
02:24:10
DUS Pages can be helpful with Warning/Susp information and ways to help students: https://dus.psu.edu/academic-warning-and-suspension
Stacy Englert
02:26:15
Thank you!
vlw14
02:26:41
Thank you!