Terry Musser's Personal Meeting Room - Shared screen with speaker view
It's good, Jeff.
IF you have questions or concerns, please type them here.
Also, please mute your microphone if you haven't already. Thanks!
Can you ask folks in the room to try to keep it down?
can't understand Christine and David very well. Terry was fine
Having a hard time hearing
Can you hear David now?
better, but there is a rustling in the background. Maybe someone's lunch?
It's pretty quiet here in the room
someone doesn't have their mic muted
It almost sounds like someone is typing near a microphone
Nobody in ASI is typing near a mic. My keyboard is silent.
There were a few online users with their mics live, I muted them and hopefully that clears things up.
Thanks! It is clearer now!
sounds much better. thanks!
Thanks so much!
Is it a size problem? We are well over 3 times larger in average enrollment than the 2nd largest enrollment
It is a preparation issue - many students in the west (especially PGH public schools) are coming from underfunded public schools and not getting adequate preparation.
Erica, don't you think the other universities have similar issues with preparation at the high school level?
And if that is the reality we are dealing with, we aren't doing a very good job.
Possibly? I don’t know much about the public school systems in other Big Ten locations. We are doing the best we can but we also have to be aware of the deficit and how to build an academic approach to walk a student through. I think we know it, not sure that all of our faculty always know it or recognize it.
In my group, we are working on an intake form for that meeting with an advisor to make sure we hit the points
Financial aid, Academic integrity, number of credits
Will you share that with the advising community Carolyn?
Yup - would be happy to. I put our new frnsc advisor on it (Noelle)
Are we going to get the slides - it will help us make that intake form
Yep, Christine said that a few minutes ago:)
could that factor their class level standing and potentially change their classification for bursar charges? from Junior to Sophomore for example?
Since this will be implemented for SU 2020 do both attempts of the course have to be taken starting SU 2020 and after?
What will happen for our current students who may have attempted a course three times? Would they get the first two grades of the course forgiven? Or only one?
I think the tuition is calc'ed with total credits
Would a student on suspension need then to ask for forgiveness and a appeal on their suspension at the same time?
How will this work for students who already graduated with a degree and re-enroll for a sequential degree and then ask for grade forgiveness in a course that was taken the first time before the 1st degree was completed, and taken the 2nd time under the re-enrollment? Will this be allowed? Seems like it can't be because it could affect things like distinction
Is LD an attempt? For example, if they attempted once and got F, attempted second got LD...
what about a course whose number/suffix changed due to curricular changes (e.g., GEOG 30 is now GEOG 30N, essentially the same course)
What about ENGL 15 and 15s? 15s is controlled for 001-002 students in fall so a sophomore may not be able to get access to it if they earned F in ENGL 15s in their first year.
MATH 140B forgive MATH 140?
Who do we send our concerns to about classes like are similar enough but have a suffix? In my department HDFS 315Y is only offered at certain campuses but is basically the same as HDFS 315. This is going to be an issue for us.
What if the course is part of a second degree they are seeking to obtain? ie - took Anatomy as part of a KINES degree, now back through WC to seek a BSN.
Will this apply to students with an earned associate who then re-enroll for a bachelors?
At what point should a student make a forgiveness request? Would it be advisable for them to do so in pre-major status or while under DUS?
Will it be possible for advisors to have access to the list of both classes with suffixes that can be used as well as the ones that it is decided definitely cannot be? I think that would be very helpful as we work with students.
Where will the request application be housed? Is this going to be through LionPath
I will share these latest questions with David, but I think I'll let them finish their presentation. Because so much of this is unknown right now, I doubt they know where the application will be housed or where we might store information about suffixes that are approved.
Just to clarify, students must have taken their course repeat in FA 19 or later in order to qualify, correct?
I think you said this already, but is it true that a 'D' cannot replace an 'F'?
)? I have an associate student who is graduating in May but has asked if he should hold off graduating to do a forgiveness in the summer since the class isn’t used for his associate degree but rather the BS degree he’s going to re-enroll into. I’m not sure how to advise him.
rqt5002: no, the course repeat could have been taken earlier than fall if the student hasn't graduated yet.
Garrett, I believe your question was just answered
Thank you, Terry
Tricia, a D CAN replace an F
That's an important point for any student graduating: if you repeat a course in your last semester at PSU, and earn the higher grade, couldn't a student complete the grade foregiveness form before the Registrar's final deadline for colleges to confirm degrees are completed? Or is what they just said true: a student cannot request grade forgiveness for a course completed in their last semester?
Currently, if the student is on the intent to graduate list, then it will be too late to repeat the course and get forgiveness. So, advisers need to discuss this with students who know they want to repeat a course in their last semester and when to complete the intent to graduate procedure.
But remember this team is still working on these crazy details.
I have just one more grade forgiveness question, I am sorry: If a student takes a class at PSU and fails, then takes the class elsewhere and gets transfer credit, can they still repeat the class at Penn State again for the grade forgiveness only? Or can they use the transfer credit to replace the failed grade? Thanks!
When transfer students apply to PSU, Undergrad Admissions will recalculate their GPA in cases where repeated courses were removed from the original institution's GPA calculation. Will this still be the case?
Many good questions and some have been addressed. I have copied the Chat to this point and will email it to David and Christine for follow up.
Michael F Polgar
Can you give us simple, bullet-point messaging for advising students in (or at risk of?) each of three 'problem' statuses? "Things to say to a student at risk of Academic Warning.." and "Things to say to a student in warning.." etc
Is PSU looking at using text messages to contact PSU students since some students ignore e-mails and phone calls?
IST has a good grade calculator on their website that helps you recalculate from scratch
Will the Deans of the Colleges be responsible for determining the work flow of a request before it is sent to OUR?
DUS Pages can be helpful with Warning/Susp information and ways to help students: https://dus.psu.edu/academic-warning-and-suspension